Tourist Season at the Gym: What’s Your Pet Peeve?

It’s tourist season at the gym! And let me be the first to say that I love a lot of things about the first of the year New Resolution-ers. So much energy! So much enthusiasm! So much more laughter about the bizarre rules the Gym Buddies and I use to play basketball! (Laughing with us or at us? Considering we made Gym Buddy Allison do a personalized cheer that spelled out each of our names with her body when she lost, let’s go with both.) Truly I’m happy that more people are at the gym and working out. But. But like any good thing there are growing pains and sometimes it’s just better to get it off your chest, right?

A first for me at the gym: I actually got off my treadmill and moved to another one because of the person next to me.

For some this might not be a big deal but I pride myself on being very tolerant of all different kinds of weird human afflictions. Bad gas, stinky sweat, singing loudly to a tune only they can hear, talking on their cell phone, heavy breathing, clouds of cologne and even, on occasion, leering. I’m not saying I enjoy any of these things (especially not the leering and especially not when you consider that at the time of day I work out the only men around to be doing the staring are over 70) but we’re all people, right? I’m not going to switch my ‘mill off and start over just because you sneezed into the fan and crop dusted the gym with your germs. In addition to my tolerance, I’m also pretty tough in the ol’ immune system. It takes a lot to get me off my equipment. So what, for the first time in 3 years, drove me across the room quicker than you can say “Which one of these brightly colored buttons is the emergency stop?”?

Cigarette smoke.

And not just a little bit. I can handle a whiff of Marlboro Reds – takes me right back to high school where that was the cig of choice for my underage friends – but this was different. It was like the gentleman had chain smoked three packs and then dutch-ovened himself so he could marinate in it all night long. (True story: the Turbo girls introduced me to the concepts of a “dutch oven” – where you fart in bed and then hurry and pull the blanket over your bedmate’s head – and a “Conestoga” – where you fart in bed and then flap the covers until they resemble a covered wagon. How have I lived all my 31 years on this planet and never known that bed-farts have names?! I’ve been dying to throw that into a conversation but oddly there hasn’t been much occasion for new fart nomenclature lately so you guys get it instead. You’re welcome!)

I noticed the stench when he got on but I had less than a mile to go so I tried to brush it off – think of happier things, you know, like my grandmother who used to chain smoke with her oxygen tank next to her. And I say “used to” not because she blew herself up (that would NOT be a happy memory) but because at 80+ years she finally kicked her pack-a-day habit! Woo hoo! One of the upsides of Alzheimer’s Disease – probably the only upside – is that you can’t remember where you put your lighter. But back to Cigarette Man. The problem really started when he finished his warm-up, peeled off his sweatshirt (smokeshirt?) and started running. The nicotine sweat started rolling off of him in waves. For the first time since we did Lindsey’s barf circuits last month, I thought I was going to hurl. I threw my sweat towel over my face, grabbed my stuff and high-tailed it to the farthest possible treadmill.

I suppose I should have been happy that he was trying to negate some of that smoking-induced lung damage by getting in some good heart-pumping cardio but instead all I could do was try and think of creative ways to tell him to quit the cancer sticks. Oh and be bitter that he was polluting my hard-earned pink lungs with his toxic sweat gas. In the end I didn’t say anything to him but I kind of hope he got the message when I ran away.

And while I’m on this subject, my second pet gym peeve: tons of cologne or perfume! If I can taste your Drakkar Noir or White Shoulders then I cannot be held responsible for tripping you while you run past the toilets (oh yes, at my Y the toilets are right on the track) in the hope that you will fall in and wash some of it off. I’d rather smell your sweaty stank any day of the week.

Was that terribly rude of me? Would you have said something? What’s your pet gym peeve? Anyone have any other bed-fart stories for me?? (I’m puerile. Duly noted.)

79 Comments

  1. I’m a smoker and I can sympathise ! Some people stink very strongly and it is not a good smell. I think the roll-your-own ones smell the strongest. I don’t know if it’s that or they just don’t bathe or what but it stinks ! Also people who smoke in their homes tend to also smell worse as it gets into their clothes.

    We have people at work who marinate themselves in perfume or cologne. Getting into a lift with them is horrendous ! It was so bad one day that I was dry heaving by the time the lift stopped at my floor. The worst one is people who marinate themselves in essential oils. There’s one, I think it’s called “Stress”, that I have a reaction to. A friend of mine wears it (or it wears her !) and I can’t spend more than about 2 minutes standing anywhere near her. I wish people would understand that a lot of people are allergic to some essential oils !

    I don’t really have any bed-fart stories, but my brother did set his on fire once. Sometimes I seriously wonder how that boy managed to grow up in one piece !

  2. Smell is probably my pet peeve too. It’s bad when you can smell it through your mouth!! My “newbie” pet peeve are people who come to class that don’t get the whole courtesy personal bubble. They stand just a little too close, so I feel like I can’t quite get into the class like I should. Now, if it’s crowded, that’s fine – but usually there is ample, ample room for people to spread out during the hours I attend. Sometimes I try to find ways to “wiggle” myself further back or forward into a new row if that happens! 😉

    On a side note, two celebrities (former weight loss contestants on a major television program (one was the big winner!)) were at my gym on Tuesday when I was there. They were trying it out, and I’m pretty sure they joined. Around here, that’s big excitement! 😉

  3. Hahaha! I can’t believe you used Dutch oven, this made my day!!! Sadly our new apartment is next to a smoker and we have two closets we can’t currently use because of the smoke.

    • I lived in an apartment like that once except it was the people below us. ANd they were potheads so we could never open our windows…

  4. Ugh, garlic sweat is horrible but I think cigarette smoke takes the cake. As for fart stories, my favourite is a twist on the Conestoga. You fart, aim for your partner and wait for them to roll over in bed and get a big wiff. Hilarious! There is nothing funnier than farts.

    • Okay, I just snorted reading that. Farts ARE hilarious. And I usually forgive food sweats of any flavor since I’m a fan of spicy food myself;)

  5. I’d have to say that after living in Korea and riding the elevator with businessmen drunk on soju and wearing kimchi, my nose has gotten a little less sensitive. Although, at the grocery store the other day, I couldn’t buy my usual veggies, because of strong urine smell coming from a customer buying some bananas.
    Iam thankful for great clients who do their laundry and brush their teeth. It does get a little smelly when I’m stretching people out at the end of a session, but nothing like what you describe.

  6. I’m super sensitive to smells so I would have been dry retching and running in the opposite direction had I been near Smoker Dude. I may have actually thrown up so you’re one step better than me!

    It’s super quiet at the gym here at the moment, since it’s summer and everyone’s away. Plus I’m not working so I’m going to the gym mid-morning now and it’s not too busy. Come mid-Jan when everyone’s back and it’ll be another story.

    • So it took me a full minute to realize why it’s summer where you are. Ah, I’m slow today! Glad you are getting a quiet moment though!

  7. Oh yuck! I don’t think that is rude at all, in fact, that would be the #1 thing I would not want to smell when I’m at the gym!
    (I get angry when I’m walking my dog at the park and people are smoking.) Granted I don’t go out and say anything, but I think as a 3 year ex-smoker I have a right to be free from inhaling any of the substance while I’m walking my dog… Sometimes I like to mess with their heads and start hacking profusely. 🙂
    The other good thing is- most people are worrying about themselves and he probably didn’t notice when you got off and moved…

    • “most people are worrying about themselves and he probably didn’t notice when you got off and moved…” Good point!

  8. As an asthmatic, I’d like to second the cologne/perfume/body spray complaint. Nothing sends me into an attack faster — except maybe soot. Sadly, that can be a life-threatening experience.

    • Yikes! Thankfully mine’s just an aesthetic thing…

      • Yeah, BE thankful. I forgot to mention the lavender-scented laundry detergents. The only thing worse than those is Polo. I’ve had to vent the moonroof in my car ’cause some of my kids’ friends’ parents think lavender-scent is the way to go. Yeah, if you want to watch me turn red and gasp like a dying fish!

  9. I actually wrote a post about this last year around this time, as the next two months the gym is filled with super-motivated people who will not be super-motivated people in about two weeks. They get inspired, take over the gym hogging equipment regulars would actually like to use and then disappear when they realize they actually have to workout to get healthy. The horror!

    Anyway, yes, I’m bitter, and I’ve actually seen people smoke OUTSIDE the gym before coming in. Any strong smells are rough, and perfume is a big deal, as are the bodybuilders that fart on the regular and blame it on protein. (That is not an excuse to be rude.) Also, people who sit on equipment and talk, cell phone talkers (you can disconnect for an hour), loud grunter/yellers and women who act helpless instead of trying to actually workout. I used to work at a gym, so I could go on. I’ll spare you. Great post 😉

  10. Our gym doesn’t allow perfume while working out. We also have a policy about having the right to evict anybody overly-smelly in general, and it’s been used a few times on people who haven’t showered or washed their clothes. I’m not sure, though, about what to do if the reek is coming out of someone’s pores as they exercise; guess I’d better ask my boss how she wants that handled if the situation ever comes up. (I felt bad enough telling a woman yesterday with her 10 year old son that he wasn’t allowed to be on the equipment during peak hours: 5-7pm. Telling someone he stinks would need to be handled more delicately.)

  11. Living in the Northeast, all the salt that starts getting tracked into the gym this time of the year is almost as annoying as not being able to get a locker or the gym being packed.

    The good thing is that neither squat rack was in use on Monday night when I needed to do front squats!

  12. I do pretty well with the crowds at the gym going in during the “lesser” crowded times, but I have no tolerance at all when I have to breath or smell cigarette smoke comng as second hand or just from that last puff before walking in the door, or from their skin and clothes. Hate Hate Hate!!

  13. Smells at the gym don’t bother me *that* much. I did almost leave one time when a girl behind me was *slowly* goofing off on an elliptical, talking on the phone (at a reasonable volume level) then suddenly and LOUDLY laughing. Over and over again. It was surprising enough that I it startled me and I nearly fell off the treadmill! (A caveat, my philosophy regarding treadmills is that they are best used with an incline set to 15%- as high as it goes, so staying on the darn thing requires a bit of concentration…. but still!) She managed to do this 4 times over the course of half an hour, with each laugh louder and more random that the last. I got from the point of thinking to myself “If you can LOL you’re not working hard enough” to really wanting to turn around and smack her off the stupid elliptical.

    As for smells, the worst thing that happened to me was that one time I needed to take a cab to the airport. The cab driver was smoking cigarettes and had a tiny fluffy dog in the front seat. My asthma loved that.

  14. Cigarette smoke is one of my pet peeves. As others have said, though, some smokers reek of it and some you can barely tell even smoke.

    I don’t think you were rude from running away, nor do I blame you for wanting to take down someone who has bathed in cologne or perfume…I feel this way regardless of where it occurs (mall, gym, work).

  15. You’re right on with the cologne thing. Most scents flare up my asthma and nothing kills a good workout like suddenly not being able to breathe. I mean you’re at the gym to sweat and get grubby. I expect sweat and other scents…but cologne just makes me squeak like an old lady with emphysema.

  16. As I recently blogged, I’m annoyed/saddened by all the little kids working out in my gym recently. (See: http://healthbreaksloose.com/fitness/peewee-perspiration/) I don’t think 11-year-olds should be spending 40 minutes on the elliptical machine, watching Real Housewives, when there are soccer leagues and kids pilates classes and playgrounds…

    • In general I would agree with this but my 11 year old LOVES my treadmill. As in-he is lurking and waiting for me to finish so he can have a turn. It also helps him because he knows his pace a little bit better when track season rolls around. 🙂

    • My kids are too young to be allowed in that area of the gym so it’s a non-issue for us but they get to do lots of stuff like basketball, karate and swimming!

  17. i was just talking to my brother about this. So funny. We just decided to deal with for the next week (maybe two, if you count the stragglers) and they’ll be gone after that. I lvoe the term Tourist season though. I’m going to steal that one.

    • Yeah, I love the first of the year and I hate it. Eventually just the cool peeps will be left, right?

  18. Gag, I’m allergic to cigarette smoke, I would have moved as far away as possible. My pet peeves are the people who leave enough sweat on the machines to constitute a small pond-so nasty.

  19. My pet peeve currently is all the newbies at the multi-use greenway who walk three to five in a row and do not move to the side to allow people to pass. As a runner, it’s annoying to have to get over in the grass to pass them. But for all the people there on bikes and rollerblades, it’s flat out dangerous.

    Gas mortifies my husband. He doesn’t find it funny at all. So my three year old always insists that “the stinky smell” came from daddy. Even if daddy isn’t home. I think it’s hilarious. He, less so.

  20. I would have left too. Even just walking down the street I give smokers a wide berth. Can’t stand it. I drove to Montana with my father in law and while he didn’t smoke in the car, he still smelled of it. I actually started having asthma symptoms. Blech.

    My biggest gym pet peeve is the giggle girls. The ones that stand there and watch their boyfriend work really hard, then giggle, then grab a 1 pound weight and do some bicep curls. Oh, then toss your hair and pull your shorts out of your buttcrack. Fix your shirt, apply lip gloss. Oh yay, workout over.

    • Ooh yes! Thankfully I workout at a time of day when all the giggle girls are in school – I’d almost forgotten about them!

  21. I feel like I become a super sniffer when I exercise. Any strong smell can send me into a gagging fit (except gym BO. That never bothers me. Probably because my own gym stench overpowers it). I have dry heaved on a treadmill because of cigarette smoke before. Partially because my stomach is a giant wuss in the morning, to be fair. Ug.

  22. The good news is that for the next month or so my mat classes will be full. The bad news is there won’t be enough equipment to go around or enough room to move.

    As far as annoyances go, yeah, smells are the worst!
    And I really, REALLY wish men would stay away from that Axe body spray! Seriously, it is NASTY!

    • It seems to be less “men” and more “boys” in my experience that love to marinate in Axe;) And yes, that stuff is HORRID.

      • True! I think the boys believe the ads: women will jump on them and tear their clothes off if they douse themselves in it!
        (Well, we might, but only to then throw them in the shower to wash that crud off!!!!)

  23. I feel a little ridiculous even saying this bugs me, but the women who come to the gym in full makeup and jewelry really get on my nerves. First of all, that’s not very sanitary–your pores are getting clogged with sweat AND blush! And your jewelry is getting all sweaty and gross. And second, who are you trying to impress? It’s the gym. No one cares. Except for that random guy wandering around, which brings me to my second peeve. There always seem to be one or two men just walking around, ogling other people working out. Why? Don’t you have anything better to do? Just get in and get out! Rah.

    • I dunno – I tend to give girls a pass on makeup in the gym (unless it’s crazy over the top) since it seems like a lot of women draw confidence from their makeup and I have several friends who won’t leave the house without it. I guess I’d rather they wear the makeup and go to the gym then not go to the gym at all. I think for many women it’s less about impressing others and more about giving themselves enough confidence to do something they find intimidating? But I do wish that our societal standards were such that women wouldn’t feel compelled to wear makeup at all:) And amen to your second peeve! Just, ew!!

  24. Ugh. I would have done that too. Im SUPER sensitive to smells. I have too many gym pet peeves to list which is why I didn’t belong to one.

  25. My favorite part of the gym right now is I teach group fitness so NO ONE can take my spot in the front/center!! 🙂 I did have someone VERY close to my biker shorts and asked her how the view was? hehehe
    Farting: I was petrified of farting in bed during my vacation with my “friend”. I ended up with a terrible tummy ache during the night. He said “Just fart. I don’t care!” Lesson learned. Everyone farts 🙂

  26. I think have more pet peeves taking place in the women’s locker room rather than the actual gym. My gym is enormous so I’m usually hard pressed to be bothered by much of anything. I can’t stand which people stretch in the locker room. I can see if you have a really sore hamstring or something and just need to stretch it out for a sec but I’ve seen people hold full yoga poses in the locker room. Why??? Get out of here!

    • Oh I love this comment! I should do a separate post about locker room pet peeves! “I’ve seen people hold full yoga poses in the locker room. ” They were probably naked, right?? lol

  27. I think I see it all working at the gym, but so funny you wrote this. Just yesterday I was leaving work and these two early 20’s guys were standing outside of the doors smoking! And in my mind I was thinking, “yes that will help you get more healthy as you enter the gym”. But we also have an older man who I see every morning when I arrive sitting in his car smoking before he comes in and lights up right when he leaves. He probably has the smell you described! So gross and it always baffles my mind what some people do. OH and cigarette smoke is not the only thing people smoke before they work out….yes people will smoke pot in their cars and come in, like we can’t smell it on them. And how do they work out after that? And my other is gross smell is the guy who sweats garlic. Seriously gross!

    • I guess it’s better to smoke and go to the gym than smoke and not go to the gym. But I still wish the smell wouldn’t accompany them…

  28. I have a farting cat. Cat farts are subtle and fall into the SBD (silent but deadly) category–you never hear them but they’re pretty foul. Poor kitty is self-conscious, too–she meows and runs away whenever it happens (usually when she jumps onto your lap).
    My worst “gym” experience actually took place during a Bikram yoga class. The woman next to me oozed cigarette odour, and it only got worse as the class progressed and things got sweatier. I nearly left but managed to gut it out. I got the stink-eye from a woman at a gym once when we were side by side on the ellipticals. I had several coughing fits (I have dust allergies that worsen in the winter with cold, dry air and forced-air heating–I cough for pretty much the whole season and stop when it warms up), and I think she was afraid I was going to give her some kind of dread disease.

    • Maybe it’s because I live with so many disease carrying children but coughing/sneezing etc never bothers me. If you are puking or have diarrhea on the other hand…eek.

  29. damn Charlotte you have some awesome comments here.
    and Ive gots me no peeves (which is more a reflection of the fact Ive not made it to the gym much lately than the fact Im Suzie Sunshine Benevolent Birnberg).
    I guess if pressed Id join Leslie G in hers…but it’s not a peeve it’s a profound sadness.

    • Although when I let myself continue down the same train of thought that profound sadness extends to the elders as well as the youngers:) A tready is a road to nowhere no matter how old you are…

  30. There’s a guy who takes my bus who has that marinated-in-cigarettes smell. If there is an open seat in front of or behind me when he boards, I cringe and hope he doesn’t sit there or I’m breathing through my mouth for the rest of the ride.

    My pet peeve during Tourist Season are the people with no concept of gym etiquette or personal space yet. They stand too close or get directly in between you and the mirror when you’re lifting. My favorite example of this was the time I was doing reverse rows and this 15 year old kid stepped right over my legs on his way to get a drink. Apparently the shortest distance to the bubbler was across my supine body and the boy was thirsty!

    • “Apparently the shortest distance to the bubbler was across my supine body and the boy was thirsty!” Well duh! You’re pretty much just furniture at that point anyhow, right? Ah teenagers.

  31. Locker Room Pet Peeve – my gym has 5 shower stalls & 1 handicapped stall. There are a lot of people who use the gym in the AM. You do not need to change out of your clothes in the shower stall – there are changing rooms and bathrooms for that. You also don’t need to get dressed in said shower stall. There are people waiting to use the shower so we can get to work. It bugs me so much, it makes me want to be “that naked woman” in the locker room.

    • I am often “that naked woman” in my locker room for that reason! I don’t flaunt it but I’ll be darned if I’m going to wait 15 minutes for a shower stall.

  32. I don’t think it’s rude at all. You can only take so much of it!

    But I also think that smokers have it really tough – those addictions are freakin’ hard to get rid of. My friend’s dad died of cancer a couple years ago – largely due to his smoking habit – and she still hasn’t been able to kick the habit. Hopefully Cigarette Man is working on quitting!

    As for perfumes and such, I recently started working in a scent-free office, and it’s crazy how much more sensitive my nose is now. I don’t even wear perfume, I only wear body spray, but now when I put that on in the evenings or on weekends, it smells stronger to me than it used to.

    • I def. agree about having patience with smokers – like I said to another commenter, it’s better to smoke and go to the gym than to smoke and not go to the gym, right? I just wish the smell wasn’t so strong…

  33. I can sympathize, I take a boot camp class and somehow I always get stuck partnering with the “Smelly Guy”. It’s a potent combo of cigarette smoke, body odor and sour yogurt smell. He seems like a nice enough guy, but dude, take a shower and brush your teeth!

  34. Can’t agree more! Somehow for three years straight this truly SMELLY guy always found the machine right next to mine (no matter what cardio machine it was) to use and his body odor just about did me in! I admit I was far too crazy to actually get up and move mid-workout, but it made me absolutely miserable! How could one person not realize how awful they smell??

    Oh, and my best friend growing up had the best, or worst, bed farts ever!!

  35. I work out at off hours so I am lucky & almost never have anyone next to me BUT those guys that light up before going in or even right after drive me crazy!

    I have so many peeves after all my years in the gym that ya think I would be numb by now but not! 😉 Like today, a guy that would not staring at himself – who knows why – yes, some muscle BUT not lower body fat. Dragged a bunch of weights to his bench, never put them back & then took the elevator down 1 floor to the first floor – NO he did not do legs! 😉

    Drives me crazy when people do not put back the weights or take the weight plates off the machines. I don’t want to use my workout energy lifting a ton of weight PLUS using up my time too…

  36. Getting off your treadmill and moving away was probably the best response. If the person was at all considerate of others (which his stench seems to suggest he isn’t), then he would notice and probably attempt to figure out what about him was offending. Otherwise, no harm really done by the gesture.

    I don’t really work out at a gym (can’t afford it, yet) so it has been a while since I’ve experienced anything that could be a gym pet peeve. Plus, since I’ve last worked out in a group, I’ve grown much more tolerant of different smells working with young children.

  37. I would have run too, because ciggie smoke actually makes me ill. But my bravery would only extend to running to the manager and making it her problem. I’m surprised at all the people you DO tolerate. I can’t stand the phone talkers either. Maybe from years of teaching and having them do that in the middle of my class. sigh…… Here’s a post we did a long time ago about the biggest peeves at the gym if you’re interested: http://funandfit.org/2011/05/what-not-to-wear-to-workouts/

  38. One of the benefits of having a home gym is my “tourists” are generally limited to my 2 year old wanting me to play with her in the attached playroom and her five year old sister complaining about the 2 year old taking something from her 🙂

  39. I don’t blame you at all for moving away. I am a former smoker myself and just smelling it on someone makes me wonder why I ever picked up the nasty habit. One of my pet peeves (having nothing to do with the gym though) is when I am running a 5 k and there is a guy that insists on bathing himself in cologne. Man sweat and cologne combined are awful! I would rather just smell the sweat!

  40. Reading all these great comments makes me glad I don’t go to a gym. But I am noticing cramped conditions at my yoga studio. Thankfully they added more classes (later in the evening) so hopefully I won’t have to worry about keeping my nose out of someone’s ass (or vice versa) during wide leg forward folds.

    Ahhh, the dutch oven! I’ll never forget the time my hubby dutch ovened our cat. Poor cat coughed and sneezed then ran out from under the blankets and didn’t come back all night.

  41. There is an elderly man at my gym who walks on the treadmill while using his oxygen tank. Then he leaves the gym where he sits on the bench right outside the door, & smokes a cigarette. I found it inspiring that he walks on a treadmill while using oxygen, but the cigs with oxygen? Not so much. I told my mom, who’s also on oxygen. She informed me that if you use a treadmill while using your oxygen, a spark from the treadmill can go up the tube, into your nose & lungs, & burn you up. Or it can blow the gym up (this info. came from one of the treadmill companies). Yikes! Now he kind of frightens me.

  42. Oh man, now I’m embarrassed! I am a smoker and I guess I don’t really think about if I smell like smoke when I go to the gym or if the smell will offend anyone. Most smokers can’t smell it on themselves… I’m glad you posted this though so I will be more thoughtfull and not smoke on my way to the gym (maybe I’ll actually be able to up my workouts!)
    Sorry to anyone that I offended with my stench! 🙂

    • Oh no, no worries Emily!! Like I said in my post, usually I don’t have an issue with it. It’s just that this time it was so much. I’m sure that as long as you’re not sitting in your car with the windows up smoking a pack before you go in that you’re just fine. That said, you sound like a sweetheart so, you know, maybe quit the smokes? We want you to be around for a long time!

  43. One of my pet peeves is people who take a class they think they’re too good for. Both the ones who only do it half-heartedly while rolling their eyes, and the ones who condescendingly “modify” every move to make it look much harder (read: use really bad form) in order to show off. Really? Why did you show up?? If the class is not the right one for you, stop distracting those of us who want to be here and get out!

  44. Coming to the peeve party a bit late, but here’s one that really bugs me: equipment hogs. I don’t mind if people do 25-30 rep sets (hey, if they want to waste their time, that’s their business), or use the same equipment for multiple exercises in a row, or even if they are supersetting and want to hold the equipment for one exercise while they are working the other. But I hate hate hate it when people just camp out on a piece of equipment, esp. a machine, during their rest period while others are waiting for it. Ever hear of the concept of working in? Ever think of someone besides yourself?

    Equipment hogs aren’t exclusively newbies, but there’s definitely a correlation.

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